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From 2010: The following are excerpts from a June 2010 interview between VCY America Ingrid Schlueter and Herescope author and researcher Sarah Leslie
(used with permission). Please refer to our article “CrossTalk on WorldNetDaily Article – Challenge to Dominionist Leaders – The Gospel Should Come First! where you can also listen to the full interview.”
INGRID: I want to say this. We have a group of leaders who are horrified with the moral collapse in this country. I am horrified with the cultural collapse in this country. We have a problem in identifying and discerning why our culture is collapsing. What we are seeing around us is not fruit of Christians not caring. It’s fruit of Christians abandoning the gospel. And if we’re not going to define the gospel along biblical terms, and we’re going to allow false teachers in among us, and we’re going to link arms with said false teachers, and we’re going to work with them who are preaching another gospel, who are teaching lies, if we’re going to link arms with them to save the culture, we are not only engaged in a futile effort, but God is going to, in turn, judge that conduct. Because judgment, Scripture tells us, begins at the house of God. (quote by Ingrid Schlueter in radio interview last week with Sarah Leslie (Discernment Ministries)) .
INGRID: Janet [Porter's] piece accuses Discernment Ministries of being cultural Nazis who could care less about the dying children, about gay marriage, about our country’s cultural collapse. And we were just pointing out before the break that Sarah Leslie of Discernment Ministries, the quote—slanderer—according to Janet Porter, has been very active in the pro-life movement, head of the Iowa Right to Life in the ‘80s. And knows firsthand the cost that it is to stand for human life. God redirected her ministry and she is a part of [Jewel Grewe's] Discernment Ministries which carries all kinds of articles at Herescope about some of these trends, the Emergent church, the mysticism that’s coming into the church. Oh, there’s so many things and they take the time to carefully footnote each and every piece. Sarah has a Master’s degree. She is a good scholar. She’s faithful to write things in a careful manner, so for her to be labeled a slander site [and a cultural Nazi] is somewhat jaw-dropping and heartbreaking to see.” Sarah, we were just—let’s go back to what you were saying earlier. You understand the culture wars firsthand.
SARAH LESLIE: I do. I was in them. I was a home school leader during the decade of the ‘90s. And actually our family’s testimony is posted on the internet. If you google my name, Sarah Leslie with the words home schooling under fire, you’ll probably come up with Berit Kjos’ website Crossroad.to and home schooling under fire is the story of our family’s persecution and how our home became ground zero for the home school activism in Iowa during an extremely dangerous and turbulent time. So, I think I cut my teeth on the Christian Right activism in this country. But I part company with Janet Porter and where she’s going. And that’s a very serious thing.
INGRID: It is indeed. And let’s revisit. I want to go back for those that missed the New Apostolic Reformation program. Dominionism was the concern. There are people who have a very different viewpoint, a very different spiritual agenda. However, they use the same terminology, the same language and familiar themes and cadences in their speech, but they believe something very wrong….
But first of all, the NAR, give us a thumbnail. Tell us about their teachings how God lost control of Planet Earth in the Garden of Eden and how we have to wrestle it back from the demons and all that.
SARAH: Well, the New Apostolic Reformation is a term that was coined by C. Peter Wagner back in the 1990s. And it has to do with an emerging group of men who see themselves as apostles and prophets with a capital A and a capital P like unto Old Testament prophets and New Testament apostles who will rule the world. And they have a—They’ve been around for a long time. They’ve been writing doctrines for a long time. And I really mean it. They are actually concocting doctrines. But their teaching is basically that we, as the church, are to build the kingdom of God here on earth. And they have given this the name in recent years of seven mountains, or seven spheres, or seven gates. They’ve got a bunch of different names for it. But the most prevalent is seven mountains. And this seven mountain teaching teaches that we can take over these spheres of society like family, government, economics, media, that type of thing.
So this is not just going and voting. This is saying, how can we take this over? . . . [T]hey teach that Jesus did not defeat Satan at the cross and that we need to go back and restore what was lost. We, the church, and we need to finish Jesus’ job. And we have to go restore paradise on earth and build this kingdom, quote, unquote. This is being done through all sorts of things. Especially they are using very sophisticated cultural, psychological and sociological tools, marketing tools even. They believe they can use anything at their disposal to do this.
And this is the same group, as you and I said on the earlier show, these group that is headed up by C. Peter Wagner*[see end of article], these apostles, is the same group that brought us the Toronto laughing quote unquote revival. It’s the group that brought us Todd Bentley in Lakeland, Florida….
“The sad fact is that great opportunities to present the message of the gospel of salvation are being lost. Precious time is being wasted on these esoteric prayer shenanigans, while those who need to hear the message of the cross are dying in their sins. Those who truly need to hear a message of repentance, salvation and hope aren’t being witnessed to. Discipleship isn’t happening. Rather, all of these prayer antics and hullabaloos, decrees, declarations, marches and meditations and covenants and manifestos are clogging up the works, taking up precious time and resources of the church and fooling people into thinking they’re doing something spiritual. It is a false gospel that preaches that the culture nation can be changed rather than focusing on the lost who will perish in hell if they do not repent.
INGRID: So there’s this shift in the air. And in fact, I want to make this point. Janet made the fatal mistake of linking to Herescope when it is our prayer that what the enemy meant for evil, God intends for good. Because a lot of people are going to learn things that they get to Herescope about how all of this is tying in with the emerging church. The NAR is merging with many of the teachers in the Emergent church and their teachings. Which really makes a lot of sense because mysticism is a key part of the emerging church teachings and it is also key, of course, here with all of the esoteric experiences, manifestations, signs, wonders promoted by the NAR. So that’s why we are so tremendously concerned.
INGRID READING FROM HERESCOPE ARTICLE: “The sad fact is that great opportunities to present the message of the gospel of salvation are being lost. Precious time is being wasted on these esoteric prayer shenanigans, while those who need to hear the message of the cross are dying in their sins. Those who truly need to hear a message of repentance, salvation and hope aren’t being witnessed to. Discipleship isn’t happening. Rather, all of these prayer antics and hullabaloos, decrees, declarations, marches and meditations and covenants and manifestos are clogging up the works, taking up precious time and resources of the church and fooling people into thinking they’re doing something spiritual. It is a false gospel that preaches that the culture nation can be changed rather than focusing on the lost who will perish in hell if they do not repent.
“The message of Jesus is salvation. And this message is for the individual believer. It is only by ministering the Word and the preaching the message of the gospel of salvation of Christ’s atoning death for our sins on the cross that we will reach those who are perishing. And when the lost are truly saved and born again, their lives will change and this is when the miracles begin to happen and when the culture around them begins to be positively impacted by the salt and light of their changed lives.”
INGRID: And the verse is 1 John 4:5 and 6. And I encourage people to read that. That’s the core issue. And I want to say this. I want to say this, folks. Janet [Porter] has chosen to use name calling. Calling us cultural Nazis. Calling Discernment Ministries slanderers. I had Sarah on today because I want to publically stand with her and those who work at the Herescope blog and Discernment Ministries and thank them for the importance they have placed, the crucial importance they have placed on gospel integrity–the purity of the gospel message, untainted with other people’s agendas and false doctrines that they have concocted at their apostles’ meeting or barking like dogs and laughing and all of this foolishness. Seeking the sensation. Seeking the sign. Trying to get something new, something special, some great anointing, when God has told us, Christ gave us His commission to share the gospel with every creature and the culture will change.
We here at CrossTalk believe in alerting people to the facts going on around us, the news that means something to us. But we are under no illusions – what is going to change this country ultimately is the gospel and that is what distinguishes CrossTalk from a lot of other issue programs. And we’ve clearly made enemies because of that. But it is the gospel first. The gospel over America, yes. We are a country that, like every nation on earth, rises up to greatness and then falls down into the dustbin of history. We are no different. And if we think that somehow America is special, we are, if we turn our backs on God, the same things in the Scripture that God promises will happen to countries that turn their backs on God, will happen to us. And what’s most important that we uphold the truth of Scripture. Churches have abandoned that.
I see Christians, literally bumping into each other, going opposite directions, and anathematizing each other and declaring this and that. We need to—Let’s look to the Lord and His Word which does not change. Let’s look there and there alone.
Sarah, I did a lot of talking and I have a lot of passion about this in my heart today. But I wanted to give you a chance before we go to the phones, to say anything. I don’t know if you had some point you wanted to make. I would just like to give you a chance.
SARAH: Oh, thank you. I think you just made my point for me. That’s the burden of my heart. You know, it’s not—I wish it was easy. If you could just go up and people change. You know, but we can’t make people change unless we want to coerce them. It’s got to be—We’ve got to be born again. We have to have that change in our heart. We have to come to the conviction. And the Word of God, the Bible is what teaches us and instructs us. I mean, I worked in the Right to Life movement. I saw, as people got born again, our phones would ring in the Right to Life office because these women would suddenly go, “Oh, my goodness. I aborted my baby!” And they would be grief stricken and suddenly they would have a conscience. And suddenly they would be convicted and they would be in tears. That’s what the cross does, is it changes lives from hardened people to soft hearts. I came out of the hippie movement. I was involved in the New Age. I was involved in that whole drug culture. And how did I get born again? It was somebody preaching the Word of God to me and it changed my heart.
And I am afraid that those like Janet Porter, who are looking at the symptoms of the problem and saying, “Let’s stop the symptoms. Stop the abortion. Stop that.” They are missing the heart of the problem. The heart of the problem is the church has abandoned the true preaching of the gospel and the forgiveness of sins found in Christ. We have turned our churches into circuses. If we want to see change in our country we’re going to have to begin with the preaching of the gospel. The change is only going to occur, as Herescope pointed out, when individual lives are changed and transformed by the living Christ. And no amount of coalescing with false teachers, no amount of coalescing with false teachers under the guise of changing, or with the premise of changing our culture is going to make a difference ultimately. It is vain. It is futile.
INGRID: Nicholas Ridley [and] Hugh Latimer died in flames in England. Burned at the stake over the authority of Scripture. And we act like we can toss that doctrine aside, Scripture alone aside, and act like it no longer matters in our day and age because we’re going to save America. No, we’re not! If those martyrs died over issues like the authority of Scripture and the access to Scripture like the translator that was thrown into the river after being burned at the stake. The hatred, the satanic hatred poured out on that man. But we have our Bibles, our English Bibles today because of that man’s faithfulness. And how dare we, how dare we compromise on these issues and act like they don’t matter. And I will stand to Janet Porter frontally and I will stand there broken hearted that we have come to this in Christianity, that we have to oppose frontally these kind of people who say that sound doctrine no longer matters. Eternity hangs in the balance. We have no business minimizing these issues.
* C. Peter Wagner was Rick Warren’s dissertation mentor in graduate school (see below – taken from Deception in the Church website)
Title: NEW CHURCHES FOR A NEW GENERATION: CHURCH PLANTING TO REACH BABY BOOMERS. A CASE STUDY: THE SADDLEBACK VALLEY COMMUNITY CHURCH (CALIFORNIA)
Author(s): WARREN, RICHARD DUANE
Institution: FULLER THEOLOGICAL SEMINARY, DOCTOR OF MINISTRY PROGRAM; 0790
Advisor: Mentor: C. PETER WAGNER
Source: DAI, 54, no. 03A, (1993): 0967
Descriptor: RELIGION, CLERGY
Accession No: AAG9320131
A Special Report by Understand the Times and Lighthouse Trails
As America is quickly approaching another presidential election year, some interesting things are taking place within evangelical/Protestant Christianity that are connected to next year’s election. Dominionist/Kingdom Now political and religious figures are joining forces with evangelical Christian groups. While having concern for the state of America is more than legitimate, will Christians replace commitment and loyalty to the Gospel for commitment and loyalty to a dominionist agenda? If they do, they will learn the hard way that compromise and a “whatever it takes” attitude will do more harm to the cause of Jesus Christ than good.
This article is not a statement that Christians should not be involved in or concerned about the political state of their countries. Rather, the intention of this article is to exhort believers to use discernment in understanding the times in which we live. It is to show how a present ecumenical, dominionist movement (that is heading toward a one-world religion to “establish the kingdom of God on earth”) is operating and deceiving many Christians. As Christians, we are to be witnesses for Jesus Christ and His Gospel message of salvation to those who believe on Him by faith. But today, many Christians may be on the brink of buying into a plan that will ultimately create a global religion and global government.
The apostle Paul was very clear that we are not to entangle ourselves with those who say they are of the faith but preach “another gospel” (Romans 16:17, Titus 3:10, 2 Corinthians 11: 13-15).
The definition below of dominionism is helpful in understanding the goals of the dominionist movement:
The Gospel of Salvation [according to dominionism] is achieved by setting up the “Kingdom of God” as a literal and physical kingdom to be “advanced” on Earth in the present age. Some dominionists liken the New Testament Kingdom to the Old Testament Israel in ways that justify taking up the sword, or other methods of punitive judgment, to war against enemies of their kingdom. Dominionists teach that men can be coerced or compelled to enter the kingdom. They assign to the Church duties and rights that belong Scripturally only to Jesus Christ.1
Dominionism shares some of the same ideologies as the emerging church, the primary similarity being the belief that a utopian “kingdom of God” will be set up on earth prior to the return of Jesus Christ, and in fact there won’t actually be a bodily physical return of Christ; but rather His presence will become more manifest within us the more the kingdom of God on earth is created. This is totally contrary to Scripture that tells us that Jesus Christ will return physically (where every eye shall see Him), and it will be to a world that has become completely chaotic and reprobate, not utopian and godly.
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. (Revelation 1:7)
With that in mind, it is vital to know that a number of dominionist groups are rallying the support of conservative Christians under the guise of “restoring America” back to its “Christian roots.” A look at a couple of these groups is important.
The Seven Mountains of Culture
The Seven Mountains of Culture was founded by Os Hillman who is the founder and executive director of Marketplace Leaders Ministries. Hillman teaches a workshop called The Change Agent Intensive Workshop and has been featured on many major media programs.
The best way to describe The Seven Mountains of Culture is through the following promotional video clip:
An article titled “7 Mountains – Set to Go Viral” by Discernment Ministries examines the goals of this dominionist agenda, expressing “concern that this radical mandate for dominionism, and the leaders of the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) which birthed it, are becoming part of the political Right and evangelical mainstream.” The article states that the “7 mountains mandate is already becoming a unifying rally point among evangelicals from many diverse theological camps and from some very unexpected quarters.”
The Dominionist/Reclaiming our Culture mind-set is a dangerous path that leads, not to biblical truth, but rather to an ecumenical, Road to Rome, “Army for God” that will attempt to force culture to be “Christian” (something Jesus Christ or the disciples never mandated) and will end up leading all down that Road to Rome and eventually into a one-world religion and one-world government.
The Discernment Ministries article assesses:
Not only does the Kingdom of God have a different King to the kingdoms of the world, but it has different citizens, has a different future and it operates by different principles. One of the principles that makes God’s Kingdom radically different to that of the world is the lust for power as opposed to the willingness to serve.
“Jesus said: ‘Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them. But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister; And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant: Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.’” (Matthew 20:25-28).2
This is not to say that Christians should not try to be a light and the “salt” in a fallen culture (Matthew 5:13). But there is a difference between what Scripture instructs us to do and what the 7 Mountains movers teach; they believe they are “building an actual PHYSICAL kingdom here on earth — structurally through man’s mechanisms. This is the 7 mountains that they want to take over. They believe they can take them over by political, scientific, and psycho-social means.” And like the New Agers, they also want to build the spiritual kingdom within, “which they believe they can perfect themselves here on earth via mysticism” thus “they will begin to ‘manifest’ Christ — become the sons of God.”3
Lou Engle’s The Call is another dominionist group that is tied in with the 7 Mountain agenda. In a 2008 Lighthouse Trails article, we linked to the advisory board of The Call. The link has been removed from their site but this cache file shows the members at that time. Some of them are contemplative advocate Ron Luce (Teen Mania), Loren Cunningham (founder of YWAM, featured on the 7 Mountain video above), Steve Douglas of Campus Crusade for Christ (which just removed the name Crusade and Christ from their name), Rick Joyner, and C. Peter Wagner – dominionist figures who want to bring the kingdom of God to earth before Christ returns. The following video is from a large youth rally put on by The Call. You will see Lou Engle and Rick Joyner watching thousands of young people jumping up and down to the repetitive beat of drums and hundreds of Shofars being blown.
A Civil War?
In a radio transcript titled “Blues and Grays,” Understand the Times states:
Christianity is about to be purified through a civil war, they say. Is this behavior indicative of a revival as some claim? Or is this exactly what occurred in the past when “enlightened Christians” became the “manifested sons of God”?
[In] an article written by Rick Joyner called the Coming Civil War in the Church. . . . Joyner states he believes a civil war will soon be breaking out within the church. He states: “There is a huge portion of the church which is being held bondage to the same religious spirit that manifested itself to the Pharisees, and it will attack any new movement that arises in the church. The more anointed the new movement is, the more these traditionalists will be threatened by it, and the more vehemently they will attack it.”
Joyner’s solution for removing the people who oppose this “anointed new move” sounds rather militant. Listen to what he says:
“The longer we continue to compromise with such institutions which use manipulation or control for the sake of unity or for any reason the more it will ultimately cost us to remove the cancer from our midst.”
Joyner then went on to describe how the conflict in the church will develop:
“The coming spiritual civil war will be between the Blue’s and the Gray’s. In dreams and visions blue often represents heavenly-mindedness, and gray speaks of those who live by the power of their own minds – which is equivalent to the brain’s gray matter. This will be a conflict between those who may be genuine Christians, but who live mostly according to their natural minds and human wisdom, and those who follow the Holy Spirit.” 4
Jerry Boykin and Rick Joyner
A name that is showing up a lot on the speaking schedules of evangelical gatherings is that of General Jerry Boykin (once a Delta Force member and one time head of the Green Berets). Boykin is a high officer in the “Knights of Malta,* an ecumenical (Orthodox, Evangelical, Catholic and Protestant) order. Boykin holds the title of Grand Chancellor in the Order. According to the Knights of Malta website, the order is sanctioned and “blessed” by the Vatican (see 1 and 2document). In document 1, Pope Benedict XVI “invokes . . . the continued protection of the Blessed Virgin Mary.” Each “Knight,” including Boykin (and Rick Joyner who is a “Supreme Council Member” of the Order), is required to take a vow. In this vow, the Knight pledges himself to “be guided by the ideas of the Sovereign Order of St John of Jerusalem (started in 1090 and is the predecessor of the Knights of Malta).
Many people may not realize what the term ecumenical actually means, at least to the Catholic church, which describes ecumenism as the absorption of all Christian groups that have “broken away” from the Mother Church back to it.5
Jerry Boykin has spoken at numerous dominionist events such as the 7 Mountains conferences (see May 2010) and a New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) event called Transformation Michigan. In addition, Boykin is on the board of Rick Joyner’s organization called The Oak Initiative. (Joyner is the President; other board members include dominionists Cindy Jacobs and Lance Wallnau).
In Kevin Reeves book, The Other Side of the River, Reeves discusses Rick Joyner. Reeves, a former elder of a Latter Rain/dominionist church, states:
Joyner’s blatant Latter Rain beliefs were assimilated into our congregation on the wings of the mythical end-times revival which would supposedly sweep millions into the kingdom. A super-spiritual elite group of prophets and apostles will be raised up, Joyner states, and will transform the world of these last days, doing greater miracles than even the apostles who walked with our Lord. Whole nations will tremble at the mention of their names.
Interesting. Sounds a lot easier to deal with than Jesus’ prophecy that “[Y]e shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake” (Matthew 24:9).6
In Final Quest, Joyner says he hears from a dead saint (one of the foolish virgins mentioned in Scripture), who has told him the things that are to come. According to researcher and writer Sarah Leslie, “Rick Joyner was one of the ‘Kansas City Prophets’ who now wields considerable influence through his ‘prophecies’ about a coming militant church.”7 Joyner states:
We are coming to the times when passive Christianity and passive Christians will cease to exist. There is a maturity, a discipline, and a divine militancy coming upon the people of God. Those who have succumbed to humanistic and idealistic theologies may have a hard time with this, but we must understand that God is a military God. The title that He uses ten times more than any other in Scripture is “the Lord of hosts,” or “Lord of armies.” There is a martial aspect to His character that we must understand and embrace for the times and the job to which we are now coming.8
We know that the Lord will return with a cloud of witnesses to bring down judgment on the earth, but we don’t believe Rick Joyner or the self-proclaimed apostles and prophets will be leading the way.
Jerry Boykin and Calvary Chapel
It is non-debatable that Jerry Boykin resonates with Rick Joyner – they are in the same Knights of Malta order and work together in The Oak Initiative. Thus, it is troubling to learn that Boykin has been speaking at numerous different Calvary Chapels and sharing platforms at conferences with Chuck Smith and other Calvary Chapel pastors over the last few years (e.g., the 2009 Epicenter conference and Epicenter 2008 with Smith, Boykin, and Joel Rosenberg; Greg Laurie’s Preach the Word Prophecy Conference in 2010, Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa in 2009, and Calvary Chapel Chino Hills Prophecy Conference in March 2011). Boykin will also be speaking at the Calvary Chapel Honolulu Pastors’ Conference in August 2011, and his materials are sold in the Calvary Chapel store, listed as one of four “Other Authors.”
So here we have a man who is part of an order sanctioned by the papacy (the certificate from the Vatican is on the Knights of Malta website) and part of a dominionist group, speaking to Calvary Chapel groups. Is Calvary Chapel going to be one of those evangelical/Protestant groups that will exchange the solidity of the Gospel for a “whatever it takes” attitude for political purposes and other purposes? Do they not see the error in this? Incidentally, other denominations and Christian groups are doing the same thing. Check out the denomination you belong to – you may be surprised.
Presidential Candidate Rick Perry and His Dominionist Partners
On August 6th, 2011, Texas Governor Rick Perry took part in a rally called The Response. Perry, who announced his bid as a presidential candidate on August 13, 2011, partnered with some interesting figures at The Response, including C. Peter Wagner, Mike Bickle, and Cindy Jacobs, each of whom is in the dominionist camp. Perry also participated in a 2010 rally called Freedom Foundation Summit with Rick Joyner, Cindy Jacobs, Lou Engle, and Lance Wallnau (an “Apostle” promoting the 7 Mountains teaching). If Perry does not share the dominionist persuasion as these others do, should he not distance himself from them rather than mingle with them? Many proclaiming Christians in America are desperate for a godly leader and may follow Perry merely out of that desperation. But if he is truly tied in with Wagner, Joyner, Bickle, and Jacobs, then maybe these desperate Christians should think twice about which candidate they are going to rally behind.
Will the Christian Church Sell Out?
During the years just prior to the last presidential election, an all out effort was made by leaders in the emerging church to help get elected a liberal, far left president. Many of these leaders, such as Rick Warren, said things that made many conservative Christians feel guilty for voting on moral issues such as abortion and homosexuality. Books by emerging “progressive” authors suggested that Christians shouldn’t even become involved in politics (e.g. Shane Claiborne’s book, Jesus for President). And while the older conservatives were being manipulated not to vote, young Christians were being persuaded to vote differently than their “old fashioned parents,” to vote for social justice regardless of biblical standards or lack of them. And, well, no need to say what these emerging efforts did to America.
No single political party can save the world. The Bible says that the closer we draw to the second coming of Christ, the worse the state of the world will be in. Rather than “evolving” into perfection, mankind is disintegrating.9 It’s because of man’s sin and a world that has for the most part rejected the Savior of the world. Revelation 12:9 states that the day will come when Satan will “deceiveth the whole world.” Yet just as Jesus gave the coin to pay the tax to Caesar, so too we as Christians can be responsibly active in our world. But foremost, let us remember that the Bible says we cannot serve both God and man at the same time (Matthew 6:24).The true calling of born again believers is to preach the Gospel, make disciples, and contend for the faith. And we must never compromise by embracing dominionist agendas and interspiritual Peace Plans and joining forces with those whose goals and ambitions are contrary to the Christian commission given to us by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. We must ask ourselves, is a militant dominionist agenda what we really want to embrace and support? Is it what we want to serve?
In a powerful radio interview, Ingrid Schlueter addressed this dominionist agenda. She stated:
We have a group of leaders who are horrified with the moral collapse in this country. I am horrified with the cultural collapse in this country. We have a problem in identifying and discerning why our culture is collapsing. What we are seeing around us is not fruit of Christians not caring. It’s fruit of Christians abandoning the gospel. And if we’re not going to define the gospel along biblical terms, and we’re going to allow false teachers in among us, and we’re going to link arms with said false teachers, and we’re going to work with them who are preaching another gospel, who are teaching lies, if we’re going to link arms with them to save the culture, we are not only engaged in a futile effort, but God is going to, in turn, judge that conduct. Because judgment, Scripture tells us, begins at the house of God.10
A Herescope article on this issue states:
The sad fact is that great opportunities to present the message of the gospel of salvation are being lost. Precious time is being wasted . . . Those who truly need to hear a message of repentance, salvation and hope aren’t being witnessed to. Discipleship isn’t happening. . . . It is a false gospel that preaches that the culture/nation can be changed rather than focusing on the lost who will perish in hell if they do not repent. . . . And when the lost are truly saved and born again, their lives will change and this is when the miracles begin to happen and when the culture around them begins to be positively impacted by the salt and light of their changed lives.11
Understand The Times and Lighthouse Trails are dedicated to warning the sheep about last days spiritual deception. While it is difficult to have to sound this warning at a time when many are concerned about the state of their countries and the world at large, Jesus made it very clear about how we are to view the world, behave in the world, and reach out to the unsaved. He never told his disciples to form associations with those promoting spiritual deception in order to establish a kingdom on earth. On the contrary, Jesus said:
If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you. (John 15:18-19)
Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you. (2 Corinthians 6:17)
My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence. (John 18:36)
- “Dominionism and the Rise of Christian Imperialism” by Sarah Leslie: http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/05/sarah-leslie/dominionism.htm
- “Seven Mountains Set to Go Viral by Discernment Ministries”: http://herescope.blogspot.com/2010/06/seven-mountains.html
- Sarah Leslie, Discernment Ministries in an e-mail conversation on 8/15/2011 with Lighthouse Trails.
- “Blues and Grays” by Roger Oakland: http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/radio%201299%20BLUES%20AND%20GRAYS.doc
- Kevin Reeves, The Other Side of the River, (Eureka, MT: Lighthouse Trails Publishing, 2007), p. 99.
- “TAKING THE LAND—“We Are Establishing Our Eternal Place And Position Here On Earth” by Rick Joyner, 11/29/05, http://www.elijahlist.com/words/display_word.html?ID=3617
- Please watch Roger Oakland’s powerful DVD lecture series on evolution vs creation. It shows the connection between evolution and the current spiritual deception in the world today: Searching for the Truth on Origins.
- VCY America interview between Ingrid Schlueter and Sarah Leslie: http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=4590
- “May Day Prayers: What Repentance?” by Herescope: http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/010/discernment/5-may-day.htm
On June 30th, TBN (Trinity Broadcasting) hosted an event that focused on Christian counseling. One of the speakers was “Ancient Wisdom” author Laurie Beth Jones. A little research on and quotes by Laurie Beth Jones describing her spirituality:
Her Mission: “To inspire the divine connection in all of us” (from back cover, Jesus, Entrepreneur: Using Ancient Wisdom to Launch and Live Your Dreams)
“My personal mission and vision is to Recognize, Promote and Inspire Divine Connection in Myself and Others.”
“For me to refer to God as “She” would unfortunately put this work beyond the boundaries of acceptance and understanding for too many people. We must search for an all-inclusive terminology.” —Laurie Beth Jones, Jesus CEO: Using Ancient Wisdom for Visionary Leadership, p. 305.
“I have been challenged by the concept of meditation … I decided recently to accept the invitation of a friend to experience the sheer silence of meditation—undirected prayer. … I had before only sensed intellectually … But by going deep into prayer I could almost feel it.” —Laurie Beth Jones, Teach Your Team to Fish: Using Ancient Wisdom for Inspired Teamwork, p. 142.
On January 27th, Ingrid Schlueter of VCY America interviewed Jennifer Pekich on the CrossTalk radio program in what is probably one of the most important shows that VCY has ever done, in our opinion. Jennifer had recently attended the health seminar at Saddleback Church, in which Rick Warren brought in three leading “health” specialists to train Saddleback’s congregants how to be healthy. CrossTalk explains:
Why should these men cause “red flags” to come up for Christians? Jennifer attended the Daniel Plan kick-off gathering on January 15. From her notes she shares how from Kundalini Yoga to Transcendental Meditation, these men are steeped in Eastern mysticism and the occult. In addition, through it all, numerous U.N. buzz-phrases could be heard; phrases such as “sustainable living,” smart growth,” “public-private partnerships,” and more.
Are Rick Warren and his associates attempting to restructure the church and society by warming Christians up to a fanciful sounding global plan? Decide for yourself when you review this edition of Crosstalk.
Click here to listen to this interview. We hope every Lighthouse Trails reader will be able to listen to this one.
CrossTalk on WorldNetDaily Article – Challenge to Dominionist Leaders – The Gospel Should Come First!
LTRP Note:In a time when many Christians are extremely concerned, and rightfully so, over the political and moral condition of America, confusion has arisen over how Christians can have an influence in our society (particularly politically) and yet maintain the integrity of the true Christian message – the Gospel of Jesus Christ. In an interview this week between radio host Ingrid Schlueter of VCY America and columnist and researcher Sarah Leslie (from Discernment Ministries/Herescope), the two discuss a recent WorldNetDaily article condemning Discernment Ministries for reporting on the heretical and dangerous New Apostolic Reformation leaders and some evangelicals who are promoting them. Click here to listen to the interview between Ingrid Schlueter and Sarah Leslie. Click here for a partial transcript of the Schlueter/Leslie interview.
Sarah Leslie describes Dominionism as the following:
The Gospel of Salvation is achieved by setting up the “Kingdom of God” as a literal and physical kingdom to be “advanced” on Earth in the present age. Some dominionists liken the New Testament Kingdom to the Old Testament Israel in ways that justify taking up the sword, or other methods of punitive judgment, to war against enemies of their kingdom. Dominionists teach that men can be coerced or compelled to enter the kingdom. They assign to the Church duties and rights that belong Scripturally only to Jesus Christ. This includes the esoteric belief that believers can “incarnate” Christ and function as His body on Earth to establish His kingdom rule. An inordinate emphasis is placed on man’s efforts; the doctrine of the sovereignty of God is diminished.1
Throughout the 2000 year history of Christianity there has always been a vein of dominionism embedded in the strata of doctrines. This seam has ebbed and flowed for 20 centuries, sometimes submerged, sometimes exposed. Whenever out in the open, it has given rise to horrible abuses done in the name of Christ. In the early 21st century, once again this vein is now showing and active. Keep in mind:
- Dominionism is always an aberration of true Christian theology.
- A remnant of believers has always opposed it, often suffering a martyr’s fate at the hands of intolerant dominionists.
Bottom line, while we believe that Christians should behave responsibly and actively (even at times with non-violent civil disobedience and resistance when governmental actions persecute certain groups of people – such as Hitler’s regime in Germany when many Christian resisters hid and protected Jewish people) with regard to government and politics, Christians should be able to recognize the difference between this and a dominionist-type mentality. We understand that this presents some confusion for many believers as to their roles in today’s world – and we pray that those who name the name of Jesus Christ will seek out His wisdom and guidance in this issue. After you have read the piece below by Ingrid Schlueter of VCY America and hopefully listened to the interview, please refer to some of our links below for Lighthouse Trails coverage on dominionism.
Worth noting, the evangelical church is absorbing the dominionist mindset through many avenues including the NAR, IHOP, the Purpose Driven, the emerging church, and the contemplative prayer movement. More to come on this in the future.
From VCY America/CrossTalk:
“The Gospel is More Important than America: A Response to Janet Porter”
Sarah Leslie is an author and researcher, a member of the board of directors of Discernment Ministries and also a member of the Discernment Research Group.
On May 3, Crosstalk aired a program dealing with the May Day event held at the Lincoln Memorial. Ingrid and Sarah brought to listener attention a movement known as the New Apostolic Reformation. The program exposed teachers such as Dutch Sheets, Chuck Pierce, and false “prophetesses” Cindy Jacobs and Stacey Campbell whose teachings revolve around the New Apostolic Reformation. It’s a movement centered around a theology of dominionism that asks for a renewal of America based upon the idea that Christ’s work on the cross wasn’t finished.
Janet Porter of Faith 2 Action was a key organizer of this event. Recently she wrote a piece called, “Christians” for the Separation of Church and State?”where she criticized Discernment Ministries and their herescope blogsite; falsely criticizing them for being “highly critical of any Christian group that engages in any type of political or cultural activity.”
Sarah explains that Porter not only brought in mainstream Christian leaders, but also some of the deceptive leaders from the New Apostolic Reformation, giving them the mainstream recognition they’ve been seeking. Click here to listen to the interview between Ingrid Schlueter and Sarah Leslie. Click here for source and links to the WND articles. Click here for a partial transcript of the Schlueter/Leslie interview.
Lighthouse Trails Research Coverage on Dominionism: