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  1. Simon Stone

    Someone in the 17th century said these words:
    In the essentials Unity.
    In the non-essentials Liberty.
    In all things Charity (Love).

    This article and the comments are troubling in demonstrating the absence of anything consistent with even one of these statements.

    • Ralph

      The question and comment I would have for Simon is this, if the leadership in the Christian, fundamentalist, Bible churches do not teach sound biblical doctrine where are people going to hear it?
      These emergent churches are teaching such a water down gospel they are leading people to eternal hell, Think of that for a moment, leading others to eternal torment in hell, I for one would not allow my influence to be responsible for that. As church leaders I certainly would agree we are not to be unloving or uncaring in our approach, people will ultimately make their own decisions, what I’m talking about here is what message are we teaching. In my view it’s just like parenting we have to love our children enough to show and teach them right and wrong.

      • Heidi Lavoie

        Thank you, Ralph for your comment. It is appreciated and I was waiting for someone to address that.
        In Galatians 1 vs 8 we read what Paul had to say about another gospel being preached: “If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.” The Epistles warn much about false teachers and their pernicious ways. We find these warnings in 2 Thessalonians 3, 1 & 2nd Timothy, 2 Peter chapter 2 and 2 Peter 3 vs. 3 and 5 which pertains to scoffers in the last days who are willingly ignorant with regards to the times. In 2nd Peter it says some pretty hard things about the deceivers, calling them “as natural brute beasts made to be taken and destroyed”. It says that many shall follow their pernicious ways, and that “these are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.” It also says that “they themselves are the servants of corruption”. There is a place for severely calling out false teachers and there teachings as we see clearly from God’s own Word. I suppose it also fails the test of the three stated principles in Simon’s post?

  2. Elizabeth Bennett

    Those who adhere to Replacement Theology end up also being anti-Israel, anti-Jews , boycott-divestment sanctions against Israel, etc. Often the end product of Emergent/Progressive and Replacement Theology is persecution of the Jews or ignoring the role of Israel and the Jews in prophecy. My son, a missionary in Spain told me on Saturday that Pamplona, Spain has been declared a Jew-free city. It sounds like the Inquisition all over again. I need to write to the mayor and remind him that Joseph, Mary and Jesus Christ were Jews.

  3. Ralph

    As a former member and officer in the EFCA church I grew up in, I can confirm this to be true. I led Sunday School classes and gave special presentations to warn our church. The interesting thing was the average person in the pew “got it” however, the majority of the of the other leaders and the pastor mostly said I was overreacting and had a tendency to follow conspiracy’s. The advice I received from them was to enjoy a nice christian life and go along with the flow.
    I contacted the North central district office in Minnesota and in so many words was told the same. So good bye to the whole outfit.

  4. Elizabeth Bennett

    Thank you Pastor Randy for having discernment. This comment by you is a breath of fresh air. Many family, friends and pastors do not heed the warnings made by us. Very sad. I will pray that there are more pastors like you who will make the Biblical decision to reject the emergent/progressive agenda in the churches.

  5. Pastor Randy

    As a Pastor of a EV Free Church I can tell you that you are correct that there has been a massive turn towards Emergent Spirituality within the EFCA. I have labored to warn leadership at our District and National levels concerning the dangers of Spiritual Formation, Contemplative Spirituality and their Social Gospel leanings. All of those efforts fell on deaf ears. Our District leadership has invited Emergent Speakers for district leadership meetings and they have endorsed such heretical mystics as St John of the Cross and Teresa of Avila. Our little church will not be embracing any of that. We are going to stick with the Bible and the simple gospel message of the cross. We are not interested in the latest church buzzwords and business models. We are definitely in a time of Apostasy and I am thankful for Lighthouse Trails, the Berean Call, and men and women such as Dave Hunt, Warren Smith, Ray Yungen, Caryl Matrisciana, Trevor Baker and others who have had the courage to stand for the Lord in these last hours. My prayer is that the church would wake up and cast off the works of darkness! Our prayers are with you! Endure dear saints, the Lord is coming soon!

  6. Elizabeth Bennett

    I wrote to the EFCA today voicing my dismay at the vote to remove the word premillennial from their statement of faith. So many of us have for years been looking joyously to the 1000 yr. reign of Christ. I also mentioned my concern over the emergent road they are on.

  7. Lynne

    I want to add to this article and say that I firsthand saw the huge shift in the EFCA. I attended this church during the 90’s for about 10 years. After living in another state for several years I moved back and went to this church. I would say that the church changed so very much that I used the word “unrecognizable.” The spirit in the music, the organizations the church was promoting, the pastors and books they were following and promoting were shocking and so sad. What was even maybe more disheartening was there were people there, who I knew from years ago, who accept this and went along with it. The Bible says it will be this way in the end days. I am so thankful and humbled that he has opened my eyes to all this apostacy.

  8. Elizabeth Bennett

    I bumped into a friend I had known when we were college-age last wk. She attends an EVFree church that I had belonged to a few yrs. ago. She and her husband feel like leaving the church because it is going progressive, but she is involved in a ladies study group there. I was afraid this was happening at that church when I was a member. I warned her about Spiritual Formation and Spiritual Disciplines. They both will probably end up leaving that church. It is very sad to see such lack of discernment among pastors. The previous pastor there did tell his staff to stop using Rob Bell’s materials and books.

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