1. Shahid

    it means i can do whatever i want to in pentecostal or charismatic circles… i can get away with almost anything… and God will not say anything to me… and even if someone tried to correct me or point out then God will punish that man who tries to correct me…

    if i miss a one sunday service i get criticized for making lame excuse but if there is something non biblical going on and i try to point then i am rebellious… i think i need to see psychiatrist… because i dont understand this worldwide logic…???

  2. patrick weir

    I recall Chan from twenty years ago or so. he is a very dynamic preacher and very motivating. Independent and not connected to any particular group of spiritual leaders, I could see, even then, that he was headed for deception. he should have submitted himself to a group of spiritually competent elders, as the bible teaches. but he did not. He dropped off the scene for several years saying that he needed to be alone with God and his family. His return to the scene has not evidenced any particular submission of his life to spiritual leadership. his independence continues to rest entirely on the idea that his flesh feels good when he is motivating people. he has, essentially, been absorbed by the emergent church movement and there is no basis upon which to even bother listening to him.
    it is imperative for believers to take note of the idea that it is their individual responsibility to know God’s Word and that although deceivers will be judged of God, Christians have a responsibility to know the truth so that they will not be deceived. This movement in the church parallels the movement in our culture where people have no inclination whatever to form perspectives based upon study but rather blindly accept being told what to think. as it is the American citizen that is to blame for our current cultural collapse, so is it that members of the Body of Christ are to blame for the rise of deception.

  3. Sandra Lee Smith

    These men, particularly Rick Warren are wolves in sheepskins! Warren and Chrislam tells me more than all I need to know to tell me he’s following the wrong “Jesus” for certain; Islam has NO COMMONALITY whatever with Christianity, and we cannot be unequally yoked with Satan’s lies! I began learning about various religions 60 years ago, and have continued that since, including various sects calling themselves Christians, who are not even remotely close to Biblical Christianity. Mr Chan has chosen a very dangerous path to follow in protecting those leaders. There are many others as well, great and not great, who are leading people into errors, innocent, but so trustingly foolish. The only Person the Bible ever tells us to follow unquestioningly is Jesus Christ Himself; and no other; not Peter, not Paul, not John, and certainly not any who are 2 millenia removed from His teaching. All others should indeed be questioned, when what they are saying does not line up with the measuring rod of the written Word! God doesn’t punish questions; but He will punish “blind” following on wrong paths.

  4. Gail McConnel

    Oh my goodness. Study the word of God and the Holy Spirit will lead you into all truth. He says Ge will and He does. Only then can a believer discern. I personally work out my own salvation with fear and trembling. All people are broken. All people have a physical body that will die one day from something.. All people have a soul that will either live eternally in heaven or in hell. I will not stand before Francis Chan. I will not stand before Billy Graham. I will not stand before John Piper. I will not stand before Moses. I will stand before Jesus Christ, my Lord and my Savior. He will give rewards according to the judgement test of fire for all deeds at the Bema seat for believers. He will judge all unbelievers as guilty and there will be no reward for them at all. The call is to REPENT, TURN FROM SIN, REPENT, BE WATER BAPTIZED, AND BE FILLED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT.

  5. Martin Draga

    The vulnerability of christian believers is tested by such pastors who are in the same envelope as Francis Chan.These are self styled church leaders who are not looking for spiritual wealth but material wealth.They look for verses of the bible which can be easily manipulated and target vulnerable people.To avoid the detection of their falsehoods they come up with such threats as fronted by Chan by use of manipulated verses of the bible.The cause of reformation was the pride and power the leaders of the Church put in themselves inorder to amash wealth through false teachings.They became untourchables in their own right.The likes of Chan must be rejected and their falls teachings critically exposed.

  6. CW

    I don’t get why Chan was at Bethel in the first place, since that “church” is way out there on a limb when it comes to Biblical truth. If I were in his shoes, I would have a holy fear of being there at all, let alone speaking in its pulpit. IMHO, this could be why he’s getting so far off in his theology (touching God’s anointed, etc) — because he is associating with unwise men who are likewise drifting away from the Truth. The Lord expressly addresses this issue in His Word, both OT and NT. I pray that Chan and the others will all get back into God’s Word as it is written, get back on track with Him. Many souls are at stake.

  7. Anna Rosa

    This is just wolves looking for cover. The Bible tells us to scrutinize all teachings, judge them, and refute false teachings and false teachers as we hold to what is true and defend the Biblical faith. That is our calling and thus obviously a good and not a bad thing. If that is not done, then the guard is down, any heresy can walk through the church door, any wolf can ascend to the pulpit, and the truth of the gospel can be distorted into ‘another gospel’ that is ‘readily received,’ all because it was considered ‘not nice’ to hold teachers to the Biblical standard. Was Paul being ‘mean’ when he refuted heresy and wolves by name? No. And neither are we, as we protect the Lord’s sheep. And that anointing thing; it applies to all true Christians!

  8. T. I. Miller

    DeMitchell, You are making a logical category fallacy. Examining a theological position is not judging the person that holds the position. Indeed the Apostle Paul invited people to put his teachings to the test. He praised them for carefully comparing his teaching with scripture. Christians are commanded to boldly defend the faith, it is not optional. Any Christian who posts on internet public domain should graciously accept feed back. One other point of logic. You are judging us by implying that we are erroneously using wrong standards to judge Chan’s teaching. The Greek in Rom. 2 refers to condemning but not to discerning the (truthness) of a theological assertion. To sit by and let a root of error to grow into a widely held deception is not in the least bit pious or godly. To the contrary error only begets more error. Protecting the flock takes priority over risking hurting Chan’s feelings.

  9. Ronald DeMitchell

    Any Google Hangout groups where we can discuss issues like this? I’ve been reading Romans 2, and I believe it’s wise for us all to make sure we are not in the same heresies that we are judging others for.

  10. Annette D.

    I have confronted many pastors on questionable teachings, always without the presence of others, never spreading my questions throughout the church body…yet I was ignored, got the eye roll, or was told I see everything in black and white. It didn’t matter that I wanted what was best for our church, that God would bless us for being true to His word; I was questioning “leadership”. It saddened me that a pastor’s word was above God’s word, and that I had no right to question what was said. They never threatened me with what Chan said, but I had always hoped to have a relationship with my pastor in which we could talk. Very sad indeed.

  11. T. I. Miller

    I am reminded of TV pastors referring to themselves as, ” the Lords anointed “. Well not according to my concordance. Ninety percent of the references are O. T. , primarily under the law of Moses. It refers to Kings not pastors. It refers to the High Priest, not pastors. In the N. T. it primarily and almost exclusively, references Jesus King of kings. It is also used in reference to healing the infirm. Loosely tossing around terms in unbiblical contexts is foolish if not dangerous. What is behind all of this, it is job insecurity. Ought not humble pastors pray, ” If it be they will, oh God, I will serve thee as a pastor “. This removes the motive to twist scripture to intimidate the sheep in order to cling to the seat of honor for yourself.

  12. Anna Rosa

    No one could be more wrong than francis chan! The false unity bells are ringing louder than ever, something must be around the corner…

  13. MB

    So does Chan’s judgment, criticisms, condemnation, and even possible threats (toward anyone who might question or challenge the teachings of others) put himself in danger of God destroying Francis Chan? Yes, if we go by Chan’s own construct/twisting of the Scriptures.

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