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  1. Carrie Hodges

    There are greater threats to The Way than contempletives. Any practice of a religion can be abused—just look at the Jewish Pharisees or Catholic abuses in the Medieval era or the rigid fundamentalists (I know;I grew up Southern Baptist), Campus Crusade and its pamphlet driven formulaic approach, etc.

    I have listened to Lectio 365 and read Pete Creg’s books. They have been beneficial and inspirational. The problem ultimately is contemplatives focus more on loving —that makes them “liberal,” the true crux of your objection to the movement in the Modern Church.

    What was meditating upon the Lord as practiced by Old Testament figures of faith? Maybe they prayed the psalms. Does that make them users of mantras?

    I think you are way too prescriptive and narrow in your approach to how believers meet with God.

    Again, Lectio Divina or the Examen are ancient ways of spending time in His presence. Lighting a candle and praying a formulaic prayer ( The Lords Prayer?) can hardly be the greatest threat to the Kingdom.

  2. Elaine, we appreciate your gracious response, but we cannot agree with you. We believe Lectio Divina is being used as a “gateway” into a very unbiblical mystical meditation. If you would be willing to read Ray Yungen’s book A Time of Departing that explains the contemplative prayer movement, we would be very happy to send you a free copy. Just email us your address to editors@lighthousetrails.com.

  3. Elaine

    If you practice Lectio Divina with praise and love for God at the center, then God will lead you to the waters. I found your site because I practiced Lectio Divina and was searching for a book I used in the past to help guide me and get back into it. Your article is extremely discouraging for those who only wish to be closer to God by becoming intimate with the Bible but don’t know how and are looking for ways that is easy and unintimidating.

    God’s word is everlasting so why wouldn’t it apply to individuals who want to contemplate and find meaning in it through the lens of their own journeys and experiences?
    Lectio Divina asks us to read passages and not only reflect on the parts that we are drawn to initially but also the parts that we gloss over, because therein also lies hidden truths awaiting to be discovered and picked apart, reflected on. Lectio Divina isn’t about focusing on one word but the context of the word with what is being said in context to the adjacent readings. It is a very powerful practice that truly opens the heart, mind and spirit to God.
    Didn’t God also say, “Be still.”? Thats what Lectio Divina truly is.

  4. Elin

    Thank you for another excellent article!! Pete Greig is busy in my country at the moment and I decided to look him up . (Not that I had planned to go to any of his meetings in the first place!)

  5. Gillian Moss

    Lectio 365, I listen to this some mornings but always every night. I love it the peaceful voices, the beautiful back ground music. I’m 85 an only been a Christian 18 years, after the death of my husband. I did the Alpha course and joined a little Church in Strines. This has been my best time. My Father died when I was 5 he was a Christian an took us to Church every Sunday. When he died we were left with a very Dysfunctional Mother, never going to Church again. I am at Peace loved an protected. Thank you an Gods Blessings to you all Gillian Moss

  6. glen chase

    I’m a frequent Attendee at my Local church…but felt I needed more…Lectio 365 and 24/7 Prayer are perfect!..Thankyou Pete Greig..I’ve enjoyed some of your books,The Video 24/7 Prayer…and LOVED your Informative Journey of Aiden’s Way…Love the Enthusiasm and Encouragement to ” Keep Going”..
    Many blessings
    Glen Chase

  7. Jess

    I wonder if this critique is spirit lead or mind and fear lead. The ultimate aim of the app is to saturate people in the word of God. Everything that is said is biblical.
    This argument feels like a reach.

  8. TIRED STUDENT

    This entire website speaks and fears “Eastern Teachings” but fails to also recognize that Christianity originates from….the Middle EAST.

    Not saying we should start practicing Buddhism or Hinduism, but looking over biblical scripture and being in the presence of God and also meditating (on scripture) and contemplating what scripture means, is not a sin.

    I also read a book which I enjoy called Sacred Rhythms it was something we read during Seminar. Lecto was in there, I think it helped.

    Either way I just found this website and I think it’s wild, I don’t care much about your argument more that I am questioning why you say the EAST so much like its the boogie man.

  9. Dear Ann Oliva, If you would like understand what contemplative spirituality entails and what its roots are, we’d be happy to send you a well documented complimentary book or booklet (whichever you prefer). Keep in mind too that division is not Satan’s strongest tool. We must not sacrifice truth on the altar of unity. The basis for contemplative spirituality is interspiritual (all paths lead to God) and panentheistic (God is in all). If either of these outlooks is true, then Jesus dying on the Cross for the sins of the world would have been in vain, and we would be fools for believing it.

  10. Ann Oliva

    Lectio 365 has you look at a verse two times. It also uses 2 other verses at the beginning and the ending. It asks you to pray several times. How can these things be wrong? Wouldn’t a better use of your time be used to raise and edify others rather than criticize what is obviously helping others? Ask yourself, am I serving God or am I creating division in the church? Division is Satan’s strongest tool right now. I’m praying for your group. I pray for insight, humbleness and wisdom.

  11. J. Parry

    Thomas Keating’s support of using “Eastern techniques” was long ago spoken against and forbidden by God. That includes worship supposed to be to Him.

    Deuteronomy 12:29-31
    “29 “When the Lord your God cuts off before you the nations whom you go in to dispossess, and you dispossess them and dwell in their land, 30 take care that you be not ensnared to follow them, after they have been destroyed before you, and that you do not inquire about their gods, saying, ‘How did these nations serve their gods?—that I also may do the same.’ 31 You shall not worship the Lord your God in that way, for every abominable thing that the Lord hates they have done for their gods…” [ESV]

    The original context (such as the end of v 31) included even worse things, but the principle still holds.

  12. T. I. Miller

    In these end times, boldly defending the faith, is like playing Whack a Mole on steroids.
    Jesus said, Think not that I came to bring peace but a sword.
    The prince of peace was warning the Apostles and the Church that the world will be at war against the truth.

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