{"id":21879,"date":"2016-12-11T19:58:48","date_gmt":"2016-12-11T23:58:48","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com\/blog\/?p=21879"},"modified":"2026-07-19T05:38:47","modified_gmt":"2026-07-19T12:38:47","slug":"frank-viola-reposts-interview-with-george-barna-on-pagan-christianity-theyre-still-missing-the-point","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com\/blog\/frank-viola-reposts-interview-with-george-barna-on-pagan-christianity-theyre-still-missing-the-point\/","title":{"rendered":"Frank Viola Reposts Interview with George Barna on “Pagan Christianity” – They’re Still Missing the Point"},"content":{"rendered":"

On\"\"<\/strong> December 7th, author Frank Viola reposted an interview he did with co-author George Barna on their book Pagan Christianity<\/em>. http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/frankviola\/georgebarnainterviews<\/a>. Therefore, Lighthouse Trails is reposting the critique on that book written by our\u00a0 free-lance writer Philip Gray. Viola and Barna believe that book will help bring about a new reformation to the church. Unfortunately, the reformation the emergents are bringing about is not a reformation from God. This book is a perfect example of that.<\/p>\n

“Lighthouse Trails Book Review: Pagan Christianity by Viola and Barna \u2013 A Perfect Example of ‘Missing the Point'”<\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n

In Pagan Christianity<\/em>, Frank Viola and George Barna tell readers \u201cReading this book takes courage.\u201d\u00a0We couldn\u2019t agree more, but not for the same reasons that Viola and Barna warn their readers. They tell us that it takes courage, not because of what the books says but because of what a Christian must do after he or she reads it (p. 253). We <\/em>say it takes courage because of the misrepresentation the authors have\u00a0given\u00a0to Christianity and because the book is a smoke screen for the \u201cnew\u201d spirituality.<\/p>\n

Basically, according to Pagan Christianity<\/em>, \u00a0if you are a Christian and you have been participating in any of the following activities, you have been practicing paganism:<\/p>\n

1. Meeting in a building for church
\n2. Listening to a sermon
\n3. Having a pastor
\n4. Paying that pastor a salary
\n5. Sunday School lessons
\n6. Sitting in a pew (or balcony)
\n7. Using a pulpit
\n8. Using some sort of order to the church service, which includes taking an offering, having communion, giving announcements, and singing songs of worship.
\n9. Dressing up for church
\n10. Having a choir
\n11. Altar call
\n12. Evangelized to save a soul<\/p>\n

After reading this list, how did you\u00a0rate on that? How many of these activities are you<\/em> guilty of? Did you go to church last Sunday? Did you put on your best outfit? Did you listen to a choir sing? Did that neighbor you bring respond to an altar call to give his life to Jesus Christ? Did you sit and listen to your pastor teach or preach the Word? Well, according to Pagan Christianity<\/em>, if you did, you are more like a pagan than a Christian. Of these activities, Barna and Viola say: \u201cSuch practices are foreign elements that God\u2019s people picked up from their pagan neighbors\u201d (p. xx).<\/p>\n

The point of this review is not to defend all of these practices in and of themselves.\u00a0The point is to show that this book is another subtle stab at traditional Christianity, a stab that attempts to make Christians feel guilty for just about everything they do that has to do with going to church . . . everything that is, that is external. This book has absolutely nothing to do with the heart condition of man, nothing to do with sin and repentance, but is merely a smoke screen to cover up the real issues that are plaguing the church today. For whether one dresses up for church or not, whether one gives a sermon or not, whether one sings or not, whether one gives an offering or not, and whether one sits in a pew or not, the issue that God looks at is the condition of the heart and not the outward appearances. One can sit in a pew and have evil intent in his heart; another can sit in a pew and be a godly humble man of God. It\u2019s not the pew that makes him one or the other.<\/p>\n

Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. John 7:24<\/p>\n

[F]or the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart. 1 Samuel 16:7<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Pagan Christianity<\/em>says that \u201cthe great bulk of first-century practices have been removed from the Christian landscape.\u201d The book tells readers that \u201csuch practices are presently being restored on a small scale by those daring souls who have taken the terrifying step of leaving the safe camp of institutional Christianity\u201d (p. xviii). But the book never really tells us what those practices are, except to continually say it is something spectacular that excludes<\/em> the above activities and includes<\/em>\u00a0small groups of people who stand around in circles, embracing, and sharing with one another their various thoughts, feelings, songs, prayers, and ideas \u2013 according to Viola and Barna, that is what makes a person a good New Testament Christian.<\/p>\n

While there is certainly nothing wrong, in and of itself, for a group of people to stand in a circle and share with one another, it is not a guarantee that the group of people will be abiding in God\u2019s will in their lives. And, in fact, if Viola\u2019s and Barna\u2019s recipe for proper Christian living is acted upon, that group of people in the circle is probably going to be in trouble because rather than having the Word of God taught to them or preached to them by those who are called into the office of teacher or pastor, they will be \u201cdialoguing\u201d with one another, asking a lot of questions, and never coming up with any answers\u00a0(because the postmodern isn\u2019t supposed to have any actual answers \u2013\u00a0having answers offends).<\/p>\n

What is the real agenda of Pagan Christianity<\/em>? Well, this much we can say, it sure isn\u2019t to warn believers against true pagan practices and beliefs such as eastern-style meditation, walking through labyrinths, doing yoga, focusing on the breath, rejecting the atonement, and so forth. In a day when spiritual deception is at an all time high, when growing numbers of Christian leaders, churches, schools, and organizations are falling into the trap of practicing, promoting, and embracing mysticism and other New Age practices (disguised with Christian terminology, by the way), it hardly seems appropriate and wise to tell Christians to stop sitting in pews, stop having sermons (and pastors for that matter), stop meeting in buildings, end all Sunday School lessons, and by all means stop dressing up on Sundays.<\/p>\n

Perhaps what is\u00a0most distressing about this book is that there is an underlying sentiment that the \u201cpreaching\u201d and teaching of God\u2019s Word is not a New Testament practice and should be done away with. Perhaps this is the real message of Pagan Christianity<\/em>. Rather than have the Word presented and preached\u00a0as if it is an authoritative source for believers, get rid of all the venues in which it is presented (church buildings, sermons, pastors, pews,pulpits, etc.) as such and turn it into something we can all debate, dispute, question, challenge and reinvent.<\/p>\n

What we would call Pagan Christianity<\/em> is a perfect example of \u201cmissing the point.\u201d But with Frank Viola co-authoring a book with New Age sympathizer Leonard Sweet <\/a>and\u00a0George Barna, a Rick Warren look alike with a dominionist agenda, is\u00a0that really any wonder that they have missed the point?<\/p>\n

I have preach<\/strong>ed righteousness in the great congregation: lo, I have not refrained my lips, O LORD, thou knowest. Psalm 40:9<\/p>\n

The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach<\/strong> good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound. Isaiah 61:1<\/p>\n

Arise, go unto Nineveh, that great city, and preach<\/strong> unto it the preach<\/strong>ing that I bid thee. Jonah 3:2<\/p>\n

From that time Jesus began to preach<\/strong>, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. Matthew 4:17<\/p>\n

Notwithstanding the Lord stood with me, and strengthened me; that by me the preach<\/strong>ing might be fully known, and that all the Gentiles might hear: 2 Timothy 4:17<\/p>\n

Preach<\/strong> the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine. 2 Timothy 4:2<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Related Articles:<\/strong><\/p>\n

\u00a0 Leonard Sweet\u2014A More Magnificent Way of Seeing Christ? <\/a>by Warren B. Smith<\/p>\n

Anti-Religion Jeff Bethke Hits the News Again \u2013 New Book, Same Message: \u201cImagine No Religion\u201d <\/a><\/p>\n

Understanding the Times \u2013 \u201cMen Love Darkness Rather Than Light\u201d<\/a> by Maria Kneas<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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