{"id":34091,"date":"2021-08-24T09:01:26","date_gmt":"2021-08-24T15:01:26","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com\/blog\/?p=34091"},"modified":"2026-07-05T16:00:49","modified_gmt":"2026-07-05T23:00:49","slug":"booklet-highlight-rick-warrens-dangerous-ecumenical-pathway-to-rome-and-how-one-interview-revealed-so-much","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com\/blog\/booklet-highlight-rick-warrens-dangerous-ecumenical-pathway-to-rome-and-how-one-interview-revealed-so-much\/","title":{"rendered":"Booklet Highlight: Rick Warren\u2019s Dangerous Ecumenical Pathway to Rome And How One Interview Revealed So Much"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>To order copies of&nbsp;<em>Rick Warren\u2019s Dangerous Ecumenical Pathway to Rome And How One Interview Revealed So Much in booklet format,&nbsp;<\/em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.lighthousetrails.com\/home\/772-booklet-tract-rick-warren-s-dangerous-ecumenical-pathway-to-rome.html?search_query=Rick+Warren%E2%80%99s+Dangerous+Ecumenical+Pathway+to+Rome&amp;results=5\">click here.<\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image is-style-default\"><figure class=\"alignright\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.lighthousetrails.com\/home\/772-booklet-tract-rick-warren-s-dangerous-ecumenical-pathway-to-rome.html?search_query=Rick+Warren%E2%80%99s+Dangerous+Ecumenical+Pathway+to+Rome&amp;results=5\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/11\/BKT-RO-RW-2.jpg\" alt=\"rp_BKT-RO-RW-2.jpg\" class=\"wp-image-18960\"\/><\/a><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>By Roger Oakland<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In 2014, Rick Warren (called \u201cAmerica\u2019s Pastor) was interviewed by Catholic T.V. network host Raymond Arroyo. The interview took place at the Saddleback Church campus and was posted on YouTube by EWTN in April of 2014. Because I had written previously in 2013 about Rick Warren\u2019s connections to Rome and to the Catholic convert Tony Blair (former prime minister of Britain), I was very aware that Rick Warren was heading down the path toward Rome. But not until I saw this interview did I realize just how far he has gone in that direction.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">When I wrote the 2013 commentary titled \u201cWhat is Next for Rick Warren?,\u201d I provided evidence to show that Warren and Britain\u2019s prime minister Tony Blair were partnering together with the Roman Catholic Church to form a P.E.A.C.E. Plan that would lead toward the creation of a global religion in the name of Christ. While many who read that commentary were skeptical that such a Warren-Rome connection existed, the 2014 interview clearly reveals it does.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">EWTN made this statement about the interview on their YouTube station:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>Part II of our exclusive interview: Rick Warren, pastor of Saddleback Church in Southern California. Rick talks about the expansion of his ministry abroad, the Vatican delegation that recently came to Orange County to study his church\u2019s style of evangelization, and which television channel he finds himself watching most often and the show that draws him.1<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">If you have access to the Internet, I highly recommend you watch the entire thirty-minute interview as it is filled with information that provides further insight into Rick Warren\u2019s pathway to Rome\u2014one he has actually been supporting for quite some time. For instance, in 2005, Warren created the Purpose Driven Life Catholics program. And in his best-selling book,&nbsp;<em>The Purpose Driven Life<\/em>&nbsp;(released in 2002), Warren makes several favorable references to well-known Catholics: page 88 (Brother Lawrence, a Catholic mystic); page 108 (Catholic priest and contemplative mystic, Henri Nouwen and Catholic panentheist St. John of the Cross); and twice he mentions Mother Theresa (pages 125 and 231).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">But in this EWTN interview, Warren takes his views of the Catholic Church to even \u201cgreater\u201d heights and admits he is in favor of the Roman Catholic New Evangelization program (set up to win the \u201clost brethren\u201d back to the Mother Church).2<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>The Warren-Arroyo Interview<\/strong><br \/><em>What did he say?! This is exactly the direction we predicted he would go! It will be crucial that skeptics hear and see this interview.<\/em>&nbsp;These were the thoughts running through my head when I first watched the EWTN interview with Rick Warren and Raymond Arroyo. The comments by Rick Warren in response to Arroyo\u2019s questions were stunning. They left no room for doubt in my mind\u2014Warren is marching towards ecumenical unity with Rome, and it has become clearer than it ever was before.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The interview opened with the following question by Arroyo:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p><em>The Purpose Driven Life<\/em>&nbsp;is the best-selling book in the world\u201436 million plus copies. It\u2019s been translated more than any book except the Bible. What is the key to that success? Why were so many people touched by that book and continue to be?3<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">To Arroyo\u2019s question, Warren responded:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>You know, Ray, there is not a single new thought in&nbsp;<em>Purpose Driven Life<\/em>&nbsp;that hadn\u2019t been said for 2,000 years. I\u2019ve just said it in a fresh way. I said it in a simple way. When I was writing Purpose Driven Life it took me seven months, twelve hours a day. I\u2019d get up at 4:30 in the morning. I\u2019d go to a little study. Start at 5 a.m. I was fasting til noon, and I would light some candles, and I would start writing and rewrite, rewrite, rewrite. One of the things I did before I wrote the book was, um, I\u2019d ask the question\u2014How do you write a book that lasts 500 years? For instance, um,&nbsp;<em>Imitation of Christ<\/em>&nbsp;by Thomas Kempis,&nbsp;<em>Practicing the Presence of God<\/em>&nbsp;by Brother Lawrence. Ok? The Desert Fathers, St. John of the Cross, Teresa of Avila. All of these great, classic devotional works. Any one of them\u2014I just realized that in order to be timeless you have to be eternal.4<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Warren\u2019s answer certainly provides some understanding as to where his spiritual affinities lie, and it associates him with the Catholic contemplative prayer movement brought into the evangelical church through Richard Foster and Dallas Willard. Interestingly, in Warren\u2019s first book,&nbsp;<em>The Purpose Driven Church<\/em>, he identified (and promoted) Foster and Willard as key players in that movement.5<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In the interview with Raymond Arroyo, Warren\u2019s exalting of the writers he refers to is disconcerting to say the least. They are all mystics. Brother Lawrence talked of \u201cdancing violently like a mad man\u201d when he went \u201cinto the presence.\u201d6 Teresa of Avila levitated and often wrote about her numerous esoteric mystical experiences.7 St. John of the Cross (author of the contemplative favorite,&nbsp;<em>Dark Night of the Soul<\/em>) was panenthestic in his belief that God was in all creation.8&nbsp; The Desert Fathers were ancient hermits and monks who embraced the mystical prayer practices of those from pagan religions.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">For Rick Warren to list the writings of these Catholic mystics as \u201cgreat\u201d insinuating they are \u201ceternal\u201d is more than revealing. The Bible is the inspired word of God. As the apostle Paul states, \u201cAll scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness\u201d (2 Timothy 3:16). While the Bible is great and is eternal, the books written by Roman Catholic mystics are the works of fallible humans who were misled by the fallen spiritual dimension. They can promote doctrines of demons and lead Bible believers away from the faith.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Raymond Arroyo then asked Rick Warren the following question:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>What is your secret to reaching people every day, every week, not only in your writing but when they speak to you? What is it? What is this communication gift, if you will, if you could decode, because a lot of preachers would like to know.9<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">While Warren mentions Pope Francis several times throughout the interview with the EWTN host, he answers this question by directing attention to the pope, stating:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>Well, the main thing is love always reaches people. Authenticity, humility. Pope Francis is the perfect example of this. He is a\u2014<em>He is doing everything right<\/em>. You see, people will listen to what we say if they like what they see. And as&nbsp;<em>our new pope<\/em>, he was very, very symbolic in, you know, his first mass with people with AIDS, uh, his kissing of the deformed man, his loving the children. This authenticity, this humility, the caring for the poor, this is what the whole world expects us Christians to do. And when we\u2014when they go, oh, that\u2019s what a Christian does\u2014In fact, there was a headline here in Orange County\u2014<em>and I love the headline<\/em>. It said, if you love Pope Francis, you\u2019ll love Jesus. That was the headline! I showed it to a group of priests I was speaking to awhile back.10 (emphasis added)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">While loving others is a quality all Christians should embrace and promote, using Pope Francis as the perfect example seems somewhat opportunistic. For Rick Warren to call Pope Francis \u201cour new pope\u201d suggests that Rick Warren has accepted the pope not only as the head of the Catholic Church but as the head of the Christian church as well. Either Rick Warren believes that or he was indeed being opportunistic.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">His comments about the Orange County headline, \u201cIf You Love Pope Francis, You\u2019ll love Jesus,\u201d is no less reason for scrutiny. Can you imagine the apostle Paul referring to the head of a false religion as \u201cour\u201d leader and comparing this false teacher to Jesus Christ.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Rick Warren, Religious Liberty, and Catholics &amp; Evangelicals Together<\/strong><br \/>It is a well-known fact, based on Bible prophecy, that the last-days one-world religion called the \u201charlot\u201d will be a counterfeit to the true church, which is the Bride of Christ. Bible scholars who take this position believe the ecumenical gathering of religions together for the cause of peace will be the prerequisite. One of the key events bringing this about is when a declaration is made that the Reformation is over, and the \u201cseparated brethren\u201d will be welcomed back into the fold (i.e., the Catholic Church).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">This booklet you are reading deals with aspects of the Rick Warren-Raymond Arroyo EWTN interview that provide some significant clues indicating this scenario is presently underway. I am making reference to a portion of the interview that deals with the topic of religious liberty.&nbsp; In fact, it was revealed that Rick Warren may have a plan laid away for the future of promoting a \u201creligious liberty movement\u201d that will be the equivalent of the \u201ccivil liberties movement\u201d of the past. When Raymond Arroyo asked Rick Warren what he thought about the separation of church and state and how the Supreme Court would rule on this topic in the future, Warren responded:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>Now it\u2019s interesting that phrase today means the exact opposite of what it meant in Jefferson\u2019s days. Today people think it means keeping religion out of government or out of politics. But actually, the separation of church and state was<em>&nbsp;we are going to protect the church from the government<\/em>. I believe that religious liberty may be the civil rights issue of the next decade. And if it takes some high profile pastors going to jail, like Martin Luther King did with civil rights, I\u2019m in. So be it. I mean, as Peter said and the apostles that we must obey God rather than men.11 (emphasis added)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">It may seem surprising to some that \u201cAmerica\u2019s Pastor\u201d would be so outspoken and willing to take such a strong stand for religious liberty\u2014especially when he shows his passion for this topic by stating he is personally willing to go to jail for such a cause. These are passionate words. Does this mean that the Purpose Driven Church model may have a broader agenda than previously advertised?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Arroyo then asks Warren:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Do you think events like this, moments like this, are actually sources of unity and moments of unity, particularly for Catholics and Evangelicals?12<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">When I first listened to Warren\u2019s response, I was somewhat surprised by what he said. However, after thinking about it further and comparing his answer with other statements Warren previously made about his willingness to work together with various faiths&nbsp; and belief systems for the&nbsp;<em>common cause of good<\/em>, his response made perfect sense. Warren states:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>Well, obviously we have so much in common in protecting our religious rights\u2014and really the religious rights of other people who we disagree with on beliefs and behaviors. Muslims, for instance, don\u2019t drink alcohol. If all of a sudden they made a law that said every Muslim restaurant has to serve alcohol, I would be there protesting with that. If they made a law that said every Jewish deli in New York City has to sell pork, I\u2019m going to be there protesting. I don\u2019t have a problem with pork. But I am going to protest that. If they make a law that says every Catholic school has to provide contraceptives, if you\u2019re morally convinced you shouldn\u2019t have contraceptives, I stand with you, firm with you on your belief on that because you have a right to train your children the way you want to.13<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">It is difficult to challenge Warren\u2019s argument as he states his case. Religious freedom is a major pillar that America was founded upon. To attack religious freedom or rights could well spark a religious liberty movement if this is the direction political leaders are headed.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">However, it is also possible that a so-called \u201creligious liberty\u201d movement championed by America\u2019s Pastor, who is willing to go to jail for standing up for the religious rights of all religions, could be a stepping stone to something else. Especially when it is so obvious this would be another effective way to join evangelicals and Catholics together, the current common trend is going that direction wtih each passing day.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">While it may be a stretch to suggest Rick Warren will become the pied piper who unites all the world religions for a common cause, it is certainly within the realm of possibility that Warren could be a major spokesperson for persuading evangelicals to join together with Roman Catholics. This whole movement has been in place for some time and has received endorsements from such well-known leaders as Bill Bright, J. I. Packer, and Charles Colson.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In the past, Rick Warren has made numerous statements about his willingness to join forces with Rome in order to establish the kingdom of God here on earth. In a message Warren gave at the Pew Forum on Religion in Key West Florida, May 23, 2005, he stated:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>Now when you get 25 percent of America, which is basically Catholic, and you get 28 to 29 percent of America which is evangelical together, that\u2019s called a majority. And it is a very powerful bloc, if they happen to stay together on particular issues. . . . I would encourage you to look at this evolving alliance between evangelical Protestants and Catholics.14<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Without question, Warren\u2019s \u201cevolving alliance\u201d with Rome has come a long way since he made this statement. The interview with Raymond Arroyo of EWTN is proof of that. When a pastor of Warren\u2019s stature and influence refrains from warning his followers about the dangers found in the extra- and non-biblical teachings of Roman Catholicism, discerning Christians should not remain silent.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Rick Warren, Jean Vanier, and the New Evangelization<\/strong><br \/>One significant revelation that was brought to light during the interview was that Rick Warren and Saddleback Church had hosted a delegation from Rome to discuss the New Evangelization program. According to the interview, a number of Roman Catholic delegates were observing the Warren-Saddleback Purpose-Driven model in order to gain ideas and insight for the Roman Catholic New Evangelization plan initiated by Pope John Paul II and continued by Pope Benedict and Pope Francis. I have discussed this New Evangelization plan and the serious implications of it in several articles over the years as well as in my book Another Jesus: the eucharistic christ and the new evangelization.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">With regard to the Catholic delegation visit to Saddleback, Raymond Arroyo asked Rick Warren the following question:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The Vatican recently sent a delegation here to Saddleback\u2014the pontifical council\u2014the academy for life. Tell me what they discovered and why did they come? This is a sizable group.15<br \/>Rick Warren enthusiastically answered:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">They were about thirty bishops from Europe. One of the men had been actually trained and mentored by Jean Vanier, which is an interesting thing because we have a retreat center here and my spiritual director, who grew up at Saddleback, actually went and trained under Jean Vanier too. So I am very excited about that.16<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">While the term \u201cspiritual director\u201d* or the name Jean Vanier may not mean much to you unless you are versed on contemplative mystical spirituality, this admission by Warren provides conclusive evidence of his endorsement of Roman Catholic monastic mysticism (i.e., contemplative prayer). The fact he mentions he has his \u201cown\u201d spiritual director located at Saddleback who was trained under the leadership of Jean Vanier is even more significant and further unveils Warren\u2019s journey to Rome.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Let\u2019s take a brief look now at Jean Vanier, the man who trained Rick Warren\u2019s spiritual director. This will provide important insights. Vanier (b. 1928) is the Canadian Catholic founder of L\u2019Arche, which is a humanitarian community for disabled people. It is L\u2019Arche where Catholic priest Henri Nouwen spent the last ten years of his life. Vanier is a contemplative mystic who promotes interspirituality and interfaith beliefs, calling the Hindu Mahatma Gandhi \u201cone of the greatest prophets of our times\u201d17 and \u201ca man sent by God.\u201d18&nbsp; In the book&nbsp;<em>Essential Writings<\/em>, Vanier talks about \u201copening doors to other religions\u201d and helping people develop their own faiths be it Hinduism, Christianity, or Islam.19 The book also describes how Vanier read Thomas Merton and practiced and was influenced by the spiritual exercises of the Jesuit founder and mystic St. Ignatius.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Now think about this. To learn through Rick Warren\u2019s interview with Raymond Arroyo that Warren\u2019s own \u201cspiritual director\u201d was trained under Jean Vanier is, at the very least, a key to understanding the long history where Rick Warren has expressed support for contemplative mystics and ecumenical\/interspiritual efforts. In Ray Yungen\u2019s book,<em>&nbsp;A Time of Departing<\/em>, he points out that both Rick and Kay Warren very much admire the writings of Henri Nouwen. As a matter of fact, Yungen has devoted an entire chapter to Rick Warren\u2019s contemplative propensities including his instructions in<em>&nbsp;The Purpose Driven Life<\/em>&nbsp;on breath prayers. Now that Warren has revealed that his own spiritual director was trained under someone like Jean Vanier, we can better understand the direction Warren is heading.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>The New Roman Catholic Evangelization<\/strong><br \/>If the delegation sent to Saddleback from Rome consisted of thirty Bishops, obviously this was a very significant event. What were the delegates discussing with Warren and his team? Warren provides the answer to that question in the interview:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>[T]hey were talking about the New Evangelization, and Saddleback has been very effective in reaching [the] secular mindset. Our church is 33 years old. Easter 2014 at Saddleback is our 34th anniversary. And in 34 years, we\u2019ve baptized 38,000 adults. Now, these are adult converts. People with no religious background. People who say, \u201cI was nothing before I came to Saddleback.\u201d So we figured out a way to reach that mindset.&nbsp;<em>And I fully support your Catholic Church\u2019s New Evangelization<\/em>&nbsp;which basically says we\u2019ve got to re-evangelize people who are Christian in name but not in heart. And they need a new fresh relationship to our Savior.20 (emphasis added)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">While Warren provides his stamp of approval on the Roman Catholic New Evangelization program and makes it sound like the purpose is to win converts to Christ, there is much more to the picture than Warren describes. The Roman Catholic New Evangelization program is dedicated to winning converts to the Roman Catholic Eucharistic Christ and obedience to the sacraments of the Roman Catholic Church. While Warren may call this \u201ca new fresh relationship to our Savior,\u201d he is overlooking what Catholics must believe in order to be a member of the Catholic Church. Either he is oblivious to this fact or he is ignorant of it. For a man who claims to be a voracious reader and who has a doctorate degree from a theological seminary, it\u2019s hard to believe it\u2019s the latter.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In a commentary I wrote called \u201cMysticism, Monasticism, and the New Evangelization,\u201d I was able to document that contemplative mysticism provides the catalyst for the New Evangelization. Thus, Rome and Babylon join together to form a new ecumenical Christianity that fits the description of the harlot\u2014the counterfeit bride\u2014described in the book of Revelation, chapter 18.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The facts stare us in the face. Warren\u2019s pathway to Rome is dangerous! Why do so few recognize what is happening? Do you know someone who is caught up in the deception but does not see what is going on? Maybe this would be a good time to pray God\u2019s grace would open their eyes, and they would see the truth of God\u2019s word.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Rick Warren and the Chaplet of Divine Mercy<\/strong><br \/>Some who are reading this report may be asking the question: Why spend so much time and energy on this topic? What is wrong with \u201cAmerica\u2019s Pastor\u201d expressing his support for the Roman Catholic Church and what it stands for?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The answer is simple. Bible-believing Christians are called to \u201ccontend for the faith\u201d (Jude 3). When a Christian leader publicly makes statements or endorsements by saying or doing things that contradict the Bible, the leader needs to be addressed in a public manner so those who have been influenced can be put back on track. While many professing Christians who embrace full-blown ecumenical unity with Rome remain silent and see no harm with the direction Warren is heading, we are compelled to sound the alarm.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Thus far in this booklet, I have addressed several critical topics indicating Warren is headed down the road to Rome. Now, I would like to address what is possibly the most blatant endorsement of Roman Catholicism revealed in Warren\u2019s entire interview with EWTN. It was so revealing that even Raymond Arroyo expressed surprise when he asked Warren to comment on the following topic:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>Tell me about your\u2014the little breather you take in the day when you watch television. When we first met, you came up to me afterwards\u2014I can\u2019t believe you watch Chaplet of Divine Mercy.21<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In response to Arroyo\u2019s comment, Rick Warren expounded:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>I\u2019m an avid fan of EWTN. I make no bones about it. I probably watch it more than any Christian channel. Well, you know what? Because you have more, more, uh, shows that relate to history. And if you don\u2019t understand the roots of our faith, that God had been working for 2,000 years, regardless of what brand of believer you are, God has been working for 2,000 years in His church. And if you don\u2019t have those roots, you\u2019re like the cut flower syndrome. Or you\u2019re a tumbleweed.22<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">If Warren\u2019s main reason for watching the Roman Catholic Eternal Word Television Network is to gain a knowledge and understanding of Christian history, then there is no question he is getting a biased one-sided view. While I admit I do not watch EWTN as much as Warren apparently does (and certainly not for the same reasons), I do know that a major part of Christian history dealing with the Reformation and the Counter-reformation is not one of the favorite topics presented. Perhaps a quick review of&nbsp;<em>Fox\u2019s Book of Martyrs<\/em>&nbsp;would be a good balance for Warren and a reminder of what happened to Christians who stood up against the pope of Rome and his Jesuit enforcers in the past for believing the Word of God rather than the word of man. People were burned at the stake for saying that Jesus could not be found in a wafer (the Eucharist).23<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In the interview, Warren not only stated that EWTN was his favorite Christian television network, he further offered that he had a favorite program he and his wife watch regularly on that network. When I first watched the entire EWTN interview, it was the statement Warren made at this point that primarily motivated me to do this report. If Arroyo was shocked by this revelation, the best way to describe my reaction to his response would be astonished and angry. In Warren\u2019s own words:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>One of my favorite shows, which you repeat often is the Chaplet of Divine Mercy, which I love. And when I\u2019ve had a very stressful day, I\u2019ll come home, I\u2019ve got it taped, and Kay and I will both, we\u2019ll listen. We\u2019ll put it on and just sit back, relax and worship. And in the time of reflection, meditation and quietness, I find myself renewed and restored. So thank you for continuing to play the Chaplet of Divine Mercy.24<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Arroyo responds to Warren\u2019s statement, \u201cThank Mother Angelica.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Warren then echoes, \u201cThank you, Mother Angelica.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cMother\u201d Mary Angelica (b. 1923) is the founder of the Eternal Word Television Network. Among the programs making up the daily broadcasting schedule is \u201cThe Chaplet of Divine Mercy.\u201d A description of this program provides background information:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>The Chaplet of the Divine Mercy is a Christian devotion based on the visions of Jesus reported by Saint Mary Faustina Kowalska (1905-1938), known as \u201cthe Apostle of Mercy.\u201d She was a Polish sister of the Congregation of the Sisters of Our Lady of Mercy and canonized as a Catholic saint in 2000. Faustina stated that she received the prayer through visions and conversations with Jesus, who made specific promises regarding the recitation of the prayers. Her Vatican biography quotes some of these conversations. As a Roman Catholic devotion, the chaplet is often said as a rosary-based prayer with the same set of rosary beads used for reciting the Holy Rosary or the Chaplet of Holy Wounds, in the Roman Catholic Church. As an Anglican devotion, The Divine Mercy Society of the Anglican Church states that the chaplet can also be recited on Anglican prayer beads. The chaplet may also be said without beads, usually by counting prayers on the fingertips, and may be accompanied by the veneration of the Divine Mercy image.25<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Note the reference to \u201cthe veneration of the Divine Mercy image,\u201d which is an essential component of the Chaplet of Divine Mercy. Consider this further documentation that will clarify that idolatry is the only way to describe what is taking place:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>The earliest element of the Devotion to the Divine Mercy revealed to St. Faustina was the Image. On February 22nd, 1931 Jesus appeared to her with rays radiating from His heart and said, Paint an image according to the pattern you see, with the signature: Jesus I trust in You. I desire that this image be venerated, first in your chapel, and throughout the world. (Diary 47)<\/p><p>I promise that the soul that will venerate this image will not perish. I also promise victory over its enemies already here on earth, especially at the hour of death. I myself will defend it as My own glory. (Diary 48) I am offering people a vessel with which they are to keep coming for graces to the fountain of mercy. That vessel is this image with the signature \u201cJesus, I trust in You.\u201d (Diary 327)26<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">One could contend that Warren was just \u201cmaking conversation\u201d with Arroyo or even making a joke when he made the claim that The Chaplet of the Divine Mercy was his favorite \u201cChristian\u201d television program. But he has never made a public statement refuting or withdrawing his statements. Plus, he gave such detail in his account. If this is what he truly believes, if he was speaking the truth to Arroyo, then he is defying the God of the Bible and willingly ignoring the commandment in the Bible that states:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. (Exodus 20:4)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">While researching this issue, I took the time to watch several Chaplet of the Divine Mercy programs posted on the Internet. Staring at images of \u201cChrist\u201d or worshipping a monstrance containing the supposed body of Christ while repeating the rosary apparently brought peace and relaxation for Warren. However, it does not take a great deal of discernment to realize these unbiblical practices are rooted in paganism.* *<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>The Bottom Line<\/strong><br \/>There\u2019s no other way to put it, Rick Warren is on a dangerous path away from sound biblical doctrine toward an ecumenical apostate form of Christianity with Rome that has the potential to lead many astray.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">What does it mean \u201cto earnestly contend for the faith\u201d? Is sound biblical doctrine being compromised for the sake of unity in the church today? When a pastor endorses a television program that promotes idolatry, shouldn\u2019t that pastor be called out or at least asked to give a public repeal of his earlier endorsements?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The facts have been presented and a hypothesis can be formulated that leads to a reasonable conclusion. My prayer is that the damage done to biblical Christianity can be corrected through open repentance and public statements that set the record straight by Warren himself and those who follow him.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The Warren-Arroyo EWTN interview that first aired on YouTube on April 11, 2014 provides many insights regarding the \u201cNew Evangelicalism\u201d that is presently unfolding. Rather than lines being drawn in the sand, walls are coming down, and ecumenical unity is being established. If Rick Warren and his followers represent the direction many Protestants are heading, it is only a matter of time for the coming one-world ecumenical religion to be established. The Jesuit plan to bring the \u201cseparated brethren home to Rome\u201d will have been accomplished. Those who refuse to follow will be singled out and considered \u201cheretics\u201d who are ruining the P.E.A.C.E. process. Is it possible that persecution for these \u201cresisters\u201d is in store.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>To order copies of&nbsp;<em>Rick Warren\u2019s Dangerous Ecumenical Pathway to Rome And How One Interview Revealed So Much,&nbsp;<\/em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.lighthousetrails.com\/home\/772-booklet-tract-rick-warren-s-dangerous-ecumenical-pathway-to-rome.html?search_query=Rick+Warren%E2%80%99s+Dangerous+Ecumenical+Pathway+to+Rome&amp;results=5\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">click here.<\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">* A term used in contemplative spirituality as one who can help you \u201cdiscern\u201d the voices you are hearing in the contemplative \u201csilence.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">** I have decided the best way to confirm this point is to provide an Internet link to an actual Chaplet of Divine Mercy service so you can see with your own eyes what Warren and his wife Kay consider a \u201cChristian\u201d devotional. This is only one of many programs that you can watch that all show the same thing. Please check out this 8 minute video clip of a Chaplet of the Divine Mercy program. https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=__RbWgxA2G0.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Endnotes:<\/strong><br \/>1. The interview can be viewed by clicking on the following link: https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=dVCY8pW-ACs.<br \/>2. For more information on the Roman Catholic Church\u2019s New Evangelization program, read Roger\u2019s book,<em>&nbsp;Another Jesus.<\/em><br \/>3. You can see a transcript of this portion of the interview, Section 1, here: http:\/\/www.understandthetimes.org\/commentary\/transcripts\/rwinterview1.shtml.<br \/>4. Ibid.<br \/>5. See<em>&nbsp;Faith Undone<\/em>&nbsp;(Roger Oakland),&nbsp;<em>A Time of Departing<\/em>&nbsp;(Ray Yungen), and&nbsp;<em>Deceived on Purpose<\/em>&nbsp;(Warren B. Smith) for documented information.<br \/>6. Gerald May,&nbsp;<em>The Awakened Heart<\/em>&nbsp;(New York, NY:Harper Collins, First Harper Collins Paperback Edition, 1993) p. 87, citing from&nbsp;<em>The Practice of the Presence of God<\/em>&nbsp;by Brother Lawrence, translated by John Delaney, Image Books, 1977, p. 34.<br \/>7. For numerous actual quotes by Teresa of Avila, read<em>&nbsp;Castles in the Sand<\/em>&nbsp;by Carolyn A. Greene (a Lighthouse Trails novel based on the life of Teresa of Avila and a modern-day college girl).<br \/>8. See http:\/\/www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com\/johnofthecross.htm.<br \/>9. Transcript, section 1, op. cit.<br \/>10. Ibid.<br \/>11. Transcript, section 3: http:\/\/www.understandthetimes.org\/audio%20commentary\/transcripts\/rwinterview3.shtml.<br \/>12. Ibid.<br \/>13. Ibid.<br \/>14. Rick Warren, PEW Forum, Key West, Florida, May 23, 2005, http:\/\/pewforum.org\/events\/index.php?EventID=80.<br \/>15. Transcript, section 4: http:\/\/www.understandthetimes.org\/audio%20commentary\/transcripts\/rwinterview4.shtml.<br \/>16. Ibid.<br \/>17. Jean Vanier,<em>&nbsp;Essential Writings<\/em>&nbsp;(Orbis Books, 2008), p. 62.<br \/>18.&nbsp; Ibid., p. 76.<br \/>19. Ibid.<br \/>20. Ibid.<br \/>21. Transcript, section 5: http:\/\/www.understandthetimes.org\/audio%20commentary\/transcripts\/rwinterview5.shtml.<br \/>22. Ibid.<br \/>23. See the story of Mrs. Prest in the Lighthouse Trails edition of&nbsp;<em>Foxe\u2019s Book of Martyrs<\/em>. Some editions of&nbsp;<em>Foxe\u2019s Book of Martyrs<\/em>&nbsp;have omitted stories of papal persecution.<br \/>24. Transcript, section 5, op. cit.<br \/>25. http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Chaplet_of_Divine_Mercy.<br \/>26.&nbsp; http:\/\/www.ewtn.com\/devotionals\/mercy\/image.htm.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Editor\u2019s Note:<\/strong>&nbsp;Since Roger Oakland wrote this report in 2014, several high prolific Christian leaders, including Rick Warren, have moved further along the dangerous ecumenical path to Rome. You may find articles about these situations written by Lighthouse Trails authors in our print research journal (see copyright page of this booklet) as well as our research site (www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>To order copies of&nbsp;<em>Rick Warren\u2019s Dangerous Ecumenical Pathway to Rome And How One Interview Revealed So Much,&nbsp;<\/em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.lighthousetrails.com\/home\/772-booklet-tract-rick-warren-s-dangerous-ecumenical-pathway-to-rome.html?search_query=Rick+Warren%E2%80%99s+Dangerous+Ecumenical+Pathway+to+Rome&amp;results=5\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">click here.<\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>To order copies of&nbsp;Rick Warren\u2019s&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":63,"featured_media":18960,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[122,182,2873,52,164,89],"tags":[2933,2926,380,417,4096,35],"class_list":["post-34091","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-a-global-spirituality","category-the-new-evangelization","category-one-world-religion","category-the-purpose-driven-movement","category-ecumenism","category-road-to-rome","tag-ecumenism","tag-road-to-rome","tag-roman-catholicism","tag-purpose-driven","tag-one-world-religion-2","tag-rick-warren","wpcat-122-id","wpcat-182-id","wpcat-2873-id","wpcat-52-id","wpcat-164-id","wpcat-89-id"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO Premium plugin v28.4 (Yoast SEO v28.4) - 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