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  1. Andy Inge

    Maybe evangelicals are not being “robbed” of its millennials as you claim. Maybe it’s not robbery. Maybe it is us pushing them into the arms of the emergent movement. Maybe instead of just pointing our fingers at Rohr and the other emergent spokesmen you mention, we need to be deeply soul searching and asking just what is going on here. Why is this happening? It is not a matter of better or more age-appropriate programs and music. Even though we don’t agree with them, the emergent movement is answering questions we evangelicals don’t even recognize as questions, much less have any answers for.

      • Andy Inge

        I have to tread very lightly and humbly here, since I am long on questions, short on answers, and untrained in theology. Also, the terms “evangelical” and “emergent” are pretty wide brushes with which to paint either group. No matter what I say, I’m going to seem wrong or misguided by at least some. And this is VERY abbreviated.
        1) How we handle the Bible is the biggest question I see. Young people have a good sense of justice and fair play. The way evangelicals use the Bible doesn’t show this:
        A. What do we do when God does not act like God? (Love your enemies, but also commit genocide.)
        B.How do we handle the contradictions within the Bible?(There are many. What does inerrancy mean?)
        D. Science vs. Bible is a non-starter to people drawn towards the emergents. We have the answers, but what are the perceptions and stereotypes Evangelicals project?
        E. Why would the God of love and forgiveness, who existed before time and created a huge, beautiful universe curse it all because someone took a bite out of a forbidden fruit? A little petty.
        F. Why did Jesus have to die?
        G. If you don’t have the correct answer to “F”, why are you doomed to an eternity in Hell by a just God , even if you have never heard of Jesus?
        I. Why is this good news?
        2) A lot of evangelicalism is an intellectual exercise. Apologetics, correct world view, etc. Do we need to rethink meditation and contemplation? (Psalm 1:2) People attracted to the emergent movement crave a direct…

        • Dede

          Andy, what a wonderful set of questions! You articulated what most people ask. The Cosmic Christ is a bigger vision of God and ourselves that can answer the questions you articulated.

          We need to broaden our vision of the human and the divine! In doing so, we can experience the limitless love of God.

      • Andy Inge

        I did not mean to imply that the emergent churches have “better” answers to the questions, but they are different. To the extent that we don’t understand where they are coming from and can’t address these issues to OUR people in a non confrontational way, we are going to continue to lose millennials to the emergent movement. The issues are too complex to discuss in depth in a “comment “ format, but a general outline and starting point could be as follows:
        1 How do we handle our Bible?
        2 How do we experience God?
        3 How do we treat millennials in our churches who have questions that may challenge our beliefs?
        4 Millennials are very interested in fairness and justice. How do we address these things in our theology and Bible?

        To the extent we just say it is “our way or the highway”
        we will be pushing our millennials into the arms of the emergent church—they are not stealing them.

  2. mia

    There’s only one Jesus. You would do well to actually look at Rohr’s work for yourself. Jesus is WAY bigger than the shrunken Jesus of many mainstream Christians. “Christ is all and IN ALL”. That’s cosmic! 🙂

    • JDV

      Here’s prophecy — that you don’t want to take away from or add to — showing a difference between those allowed into the city with Jesus Christ and those who are not:

      Revelation 22:12-16 — ““Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to each as is his work. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.” Blessed are those washing their robes, that their right will be to the tree of life, and they shall enter into the city by the gates. Outside are the dogs, and the sorcerers, and the sexually immoral, and the murderers, and the idolaters, and everyone loving and practicing falsehood. “I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to all of you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, the bright morning star.””

    • Ed

      I think that Jesus taught that the way to life was through death. I think that Jesus died because of the sin of the world and not a way to believe to so that one can be assured of heaven later. Life though death was the narrow gate that Jesus said was the way.

      Now more than 2000 years after Jesus sacrifice I am not sure how many evangelicals are in heaven or how many non evangelicals are in hell, but I know that the creation that God left for us to manage is in sorry shape. Being married to wealth and power did not help Christianity a bit. The west is full of Christians who claim Jesus as saviour but do not take to heart anything that he said.
      It is time to reexamine the meaning to Jesus life and teaching.
      I think that Richard Rohr and Matthew Fox may be on the right track.

      “On earth as it is in heaven” “or in Him we live and move and have our being” or “Christ will be all in all” or “be still and know that I am God” works for me.

      • Ed,
        If Matthew Fox and Richard Rohr are “on the right track,” then there is no Gospel and Jesus died on the Cross in vain. They both believe that every human being has the “christ consciousness” and thus, all will be saved (as Neale Donald Walsch says, even Hitler). Fox and Rohr wouldn’t actually agree with you for you suggest that there will be a heaven and hell (and that perhaps many evangelicals will be in hell). If everyone already has “christ” within them, then there will be no hell. Then what was the purpose of Christ dying on the Cross and why did He say that the one condition for salvation is to acknowledge our need for a Savior and believe on Him and His finished work on the Cross? Richard Rohr and Matthew Fox are on a track, but it isn’t the right one. They are heading down a track that is going in a completely wrong direction and taking far too many with them.

  3. Heidi Lavoie

    The universal Christ. This is what I see going on with most young people I know, who claim to be “Christian”, are worshipping. I termed it a “Hindu or Buddhist Jesus”, but the new age term sums it up.

  4. nauseated

    Fracis MacNutt and Judith MacNutt also embrace and promote his teachings. You probably don’t consider them evangelicals, but many evangelicals have attended their conferences, etc. Judith is regularly invited to speak at the conservative seminary in PA for evangelical Episcopalians (a dying breed), etc.

    In their desire to be loving, many are refusing to acknowledge that Jesus’ death is provisional for the salvation of all, and the only way for us to be reconciled to the Father. They come up with many ways to discount his words – they’re not “his words,” someone else put them in the Bible, we’ve “moved beyond the word,” etc. They should read Ps 2 and fear God. The LORD takes it personally when we despise the sacrifice of his Son and say it isn’t really necessary and there are “other ways to God.”

    • Which Christ? Richard Rohr will not be blessed by God as long as he preaches another gospel from another Jesus. If any man preach another gospel, let him be accursed.
      MARANATHA!

    • Tim

      Unfortunately you turned to a false Christ warned about in Galatians 1:6-12

      Rohr is void of The biblical Christ and the power of His Word

      Christ is not in Him therefore the voice of God is not in him either

      Do not be deceived for many for many for many will come in my name and deceive MANY

  5. Elizabeth Bennett

    Families that have left the R.C. church would never be fooled by popes and priests. My grandfather and father left that church because they did not feel they were going to Heaven in that church. They could see all the things that were wrong there. They both accepted the Lord after leaving and became evangelical pastors.

  6. Jen

    The enemy is a crafty one as heretical teaching of all kinds contemplative, mystical, NAR, etc. invades to tickle the ears. A healthy church I cannot find and weep for the youth and those whom the seed was sown in the hearing of the word and the devil comes and takes it away from their hearts so that they may not believe and be saved (Luke 8:12).

    To the Lord goes all the glory for giving us discernment to see and expose the lies! Stay strong brothers and sisters.

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